I got my sixth voicemail played on the Uncanny X-Cast! From 49:15 – 50:32, I really need to work on my delivery.
I got my sixth voicemail played on the Uncanny X-Cast! From 49:15 – 50:32, I really need to work on my delivery.
Written by Matt Fraction
Penciled by Terry Dodson
Inked by Rachel Dodson
Colored by Justin Ponsor
Lettered by VC’s Joe Caramagna
Cover Dated August 2010
Cover by Adi Granov
Second Coming, Part Ten of Fourteen
I had originally own this issue and then sold it to Lonestar Comics. While listening to Uncanny X-Cast 89, where Rob and Brian review this issue.
Brian comments on a double page spread that is a clear homage to Uncanny X-Men 141,with the giant wall of slain or captured X-Men. The podcast covers Second Coming, Chapters 8 – 11. The review for 525 starts at 1:12:14 and ends at 1:15:21.
So I quickly checked to make sure I owned the issue, and sadly, I didn’t so I quickly went to my online list of comics I’m hoping to sell to Lonestar Comics and it wasn’t on that list. Luckily, Hastings had a copy of it and now I own this again.
Previously, and this is nearly a solid page of a recap but I feel like it is pretty necessary as this is part ten of fourteen. Hope and Cable are back from the future. Bastion has been prepared for this day and has started an all out war on the X-Men. The teleporters have been taken out as has the X-Jets. Utopia and the surrounding area of San Francisco, are stuck in a pink bubble. A team of X-Men are locating the energy source of the bubble and it turns out it is a portal to a possible future – of course. Nimrods come out and the X-Men win this battle but some take severe injury. Cyclops sends X-Force, Cable and Doug into the future to stop the onslaught of Nimrods. Cable has given Hope a final goodbye.
Onto the issue!
Issue opens with Hope yelling at Cyclops as he just sent her father off to die in a suicide mission. The worst thing about this is that, mentally, poor Scott is having to quietly deal with the fact that he sent his son, Cable, on a suicide mission. As she is yelling at him, her eyes start to glow red, so this may be the first sign that Hope’s mutant power is power mimicry.
There is an ad for the Honda Insight, so go out and buy one of those!
The Dome. San Francisco, CA. The Fantastic Four arrive and I do enjoy seeing the Dodsons take on Marvel’s First Family. Referring to the art, as much as I enjoy the Dodsons on art – and I do – but the trade for this crossover must read like it is all over the place with how every three issues, the art is more in a clean cartoony style. The other artists have a more . . . realistic, isn’t the right word but it works for this point.
Speaking of my history with Second Coming, this storyline came out while Kitty was stuck in the space bullet so I got this due to Magik having various appearances in the story, which was great to see her having a larger role in a major crossover. Of course, she spent most of her time as a prisoner in Limbo – so my issues are scattered.
I own Chapters 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10 and the Second Coming Prepare (two New Mutants issues, all three Uncanny X-Men issues, one X-Force issue, no X-Men Legacy issues – X-Factor was barely involved in this crossover). I don’t own the Blind Science one shot but do own all three issues of Hellbound, that deals with Magik’s capture and eventful escape. Of the bookend issues of the crossover, I only own the first issue of it. Now that I have it written out, that isn’t to bad – I guess it goes to show that it starts off very strong and I missed out on the last four issues.
The Fantastic Four meet up with Thor, Iron Man and Bucky Cap. Iron Man isn’t sure what the Dome is made out of. Doctor Nemesis arrives with his fellow X-Club, minus his trademark hat and mask – which I miss. Nemesis doesn’t hide the fact that there is a genocide occurring inside of the dome. Bucky Cap addresses the situation and takes charge. He sends the brains, and I like how he makes a point of calling them Doctors Nemesis and Richards and has to address Stark separately. That guy needs to get his doctorate. For Thing and Thor, he tells them to keep hitting the dome, to see if it does have a weakness.
Utopia. Cyclops is hooked up to Cerebro and Emma is helping him get the message out. He reports that there are five more Nimrods to deal with, one is bad enough but five is high stakes. Cyclops ends with stating that they are on their home turf, so they have to start fighting like it. Which really, how smart was it to set the entire mutant race (or the bulk of it) in one specific and very public place.
Chinatown. Storm and Surge are trying to save civilians. Storm can’t make it rain inside of the dome but she does have her lightening powers. Psylocke and Fantomex are inside a building. Fantomex takes the time to make the famous Watchmen quote “I’m not trapped in here with you, you’re trapped in here with me” which maybe appears elsewhere before Alan Moore wrote it. Fantomex comments on it being a stupid movie – for some reason. Namor is holding his own against several Nimrods but requests help as five more just arrived.
In the Future. X-Force plus Doug and Cable – see a future that is overrun with Sentinels. Doug notices something to his right.
If finally dawns on Archangel that this future, the mutant race is nothing more than an ugly nightmare. How great is it to see a massive wall homage of Uncanny X-Men 141’s cover?
Marvel Database is under the impression that Magik is the one that is below Havok, middle of Beast and Cable and above Professor Xavier. Which is enough for me to seek this issue out. If not, Second Coming would have ended with Chapter Seven.
Archangel is starting to lose his mind and Wolverine tries to keep him calm. X23 is motivated by seeing that she is dead in this future and decides that everyone must die.
There is an ad for Ultimate X, which I own the first issue.
I like how Doug got an X-Force black and gray costume, that’s a nice touch.
Wolverine thinks that, since they are all dead, the future fools wouldn’t know how to fight them. X-Force makes short work of the first wave of robots that are manned by humans. Doug comments that all of the heavy duty machines are being sent to the present, so that’s why they shouldn’t have to worry about heavy artillery.
Cable wants everyone to commit to killing everyone that they come across until they are done with the situation.
Present Day. Xavier, someone remembered to dust him off, confronts Cyclops – he never wanted Scott to have to deal with stuff like this. Xavier wants to help and Cyclops tells him to work with Legion, his son. Which is pretty rich Scott telling Xavier to spend time with his son as he is off sending his own son off to die.
Cyclops sends Rogue off to work with Hope, as Rogue was one of the first people to meet Hope. In fact, Mystique forced a baby Hope’s head against Rogue’s sleeping lips and this cured Rogue of having all of the memories of The Children – the characters from Mike Carey’s opening storyline of his X-MEN run (that became Legacy). Supernovas, was the name of the storyline. Rogue crosses her heart, which is under her very open shirt with the zipper nearly down all the way down. Oh Rogue, get it together! Also, why so many Xs on her shirt?
Outside of the Dome. Thor and Thing are giving the dome all that they have. Reed tells them to stop, it has only gone down by 15 percent. Iron Man states that they are one day away from getting inside. Doctor Nemesis states that everyone inside will be dead within hours which is how we end the issue.
In addition to Apocalypse, Deadpool, Wolverine 3, X-Force and Gambit – we are getting the New Mutants!
As a long time fan of the Uncanny X-Cast, I’ve been hoping for a New Mutants film for the longest time!
That list was made way back in 2009, so none of those actors are probably eligible to play teenagers, as only Tom Welling is capable of not aging in a span of six years.
My idea cast of characters would to be to have all nine of the characters. With a real emphasis on making Dani Moonstar, Illyana Rasputin and Doug Ramsey – the stars of the film. The less Sunspot and Magma, the better but I can only imagine that Susnpot and Cannonball are going to lead the film.
I’m really hoping not too many Non-members make up the cast of the film, especially not the characters that would eventually make up X-Force. Since X-Force would have come out first, I imagine that shouldn’t be a threat. If it was the other way around, I could see the films having an innocent beginning and then graduating them to a harsher reality strike team. Let’s hope it doesn’t go in that direction!
The article states that we are at least three or four years away from production, so it may fall through.
Rob and Brian played my fifth voicemail! My segment is from 13:30 to 14:44. Brian calls me, DK3, which hurts but maybe I’m mishearing it.
Brian references my Facebook post, regarding Sins Past and how I still can’t get over Gwen Stacy having sex with her boyfriend’s best friend’s father. That quick discussion is from 59:09 -1:00:29.
At the very last seconds of the episode, Rob added my would-be voicemail as a blooper. That will teach me to not write it down ahead of time but I thought for sure that I could do it off the top of my head. The voicemail starts at the 1:26:45 of 1:27:36.
In the opening, Brian points out that I forgot to provide DCBS’ website :
Which I naturally know, as I use the service every month.
The correction and succeeding discussion lasts from 0:33 – 1:03, with the discussion going as far as 1:55 before the conversation moves to Brian’s recent birthday.
This makes for my fourth voicemail on the show
I got a third voicemail on the show!
The set up for it starts at 1:42 (thanks Rob), my voicemail starts at 2:21 and Brian thanks me at 3:25 and the whole discussion ends at 4:25.
11:35, I’m mentioned again – but I’m “that guy” but that’s okay.
I get another reference when Brian closes the show from 1:52:10 – 1:52:34.
Another fun and great show!
So Many Bumpers –
Brian and Rob aired my second voicemail on the show! I’m just accepted that my voice is super annoying to me and am now going on the road with it!
My voice mail and the discussion that follows is from 31:30 to 33:34.
I knew they were not teachers but were support staff of a sort, which is what I was when I worked at NAU-Yuma.
Such a good episode!
Free Comic Day Grump with UncannyXMen.net’s Douglas Mangum.
I finally got to listen to more of this episode and they played my very first voicemail! You can hear it and the discussion afterwards from 36:38 to 39:18.
I think they did something to my voice as it doesn’t sound that horrible in my head. My wife has reassured me that it doesn’t sound as horrible as I think it does but oooof, I hear my own voice at a much lower octave.
Thanks again Brian and Rob for playing my voicemail, I really appreciate it.
Writer Chris Claremont
Penciler Robert Atkins
Inkers Sandu Florea and Rick Ketcham
Colorist Wil Quintana
Letterer Dave Sharp
Cover Dated February 2011
I didn’t even know I had a comic done by friend to Uncanny X-Cast, Robert Atkins! He has this great blog over at :
You only get a centimeter of Kitty in this issue, and you only see her back and a claw, which was enough for me to buy it but here is how he would ideally draw her and Lockheed :
How great is that image? Apparently while doing a search for it, people take his finish inks and then color them and I saw two very good ones through Google Images.
I also know that he is well liked for his involvement in the GI Joe run over at IDW. With that, that is all I know about Atkins, the man.
Uncanny X-Cast 52 is the episode wherein they interview him, he is mentioned a couple of times throughout the run of the show. This reminds me, that I’m at least now two episodes behind on the X-Cast. Having a baby at home will do that. You would think I would know that with being a fan of that podcast.
This issue is the only issue I own of his work. Which is a shame as this post has reminded me how much I like him.
So this issue is essentially the origin story of Ro, Perfect Storm and Electric Storm (Ghost Panther).
Look at the cover, it is a better image than the last issue so you can see the scar Kitty gave Perfect Storm.
With Atkins on art, Ro goes from looking like an eight year old to looking like she is thirteen. Which works as she isn’t a scared little girl, she is coming into her own this issue and getting answers that have plagued her since the fourth issue of the first series of X-Men Forever.
Issue opens with Ro staring wide eyed at Ghost Panther. She starts asking questions. Ghost Panther rebuts with asking Ro what she remembers. She remembers growing up in Cairo, Illinois (clever!). So this makes her, Angel and Kitty all from Illinois. Sometimes I think about Chicago as its own place so much that I forget which state it is in. Sort of like Gotham, I know it is a city but which state, does it matter? I’m sure Illinois cares.
Ro recounts what else remembers. A robot, that we know as Nanny, harassing her then a guy in what to me looks like Rachel’s red horn outfit but blue is seen. Then Gambit saving her from Uncanny X-Men 266, his first appearance. She doesn’t remember much after that until the Consortium. Who are the evil corporation behind most of the evil acts in this Forever series. They are pretty successful too, they end up killing Beast and Iron Man, two big names. So great how Claremont was able to make giant changes due to having his own alternate world. No one was safe.
Ghost Panther is concerned, as Ro should have more memories than that. Ro asks if they are all family, and Ghost Panther states that they are sort of like a family. I wonder why this origin needs to be so complicated. Probably as it is based on actual X-Men comics so we have to establish what came before and then what happened in the X-Men Forever timeline.
Ro and Ghost Panther look down from the building top to see the X-Men fighting Perfect Storm’s army. The characters are tiny, only being able to tell them apart by color scheme and their powers. This is where we see Kitty and why, when I buy new comics, that I’m going through each panel to make sure I don’t miss an appearance.
Ro wants to do something and so Ghost Panther touches Ro’s head and a flood of memories kick in.
Storm, as an adult, is at the Xavier school with the New Mutants, all relaxing by the pool. The New Mutants are Boom Boom, Rictor, Warlock and Wolfsbane. No one they get captured easily. I expect more out of Wolfsbane and Warlock but the other two are holding them back.
They are taken to the Geneginner’s Citadel in Genosha. This gets a little complicated with the science, the acts and the politics.
The captured mutants arrive in the holding cell, completely nude. Only Storm is bothering to cover up, which is ironic as of the group, she would be the least modest, though she has the most to cover up. Even Wolfsbane isn’t trying to cover up and she would the the one who would be huddle up in the corner of the room for no one to see.
Hodge wants to kill Storm, as he hates the X-Men, but the Genegineer (such an odd word, describes it perfectly but it seems to be one of those words where the guy probably called himself that as a joke and it got on) wants her to be part of the genepool. Hodge wants to see her suffer as the process would make her a mindless mutate. Before the process can start, Wolverine and Psylocke start causing trouble that Hodge has to go deal with.
Genegineer Moreau quickly tells Storm the plan, how there is a rebellion in the works and she is the final piece. Storm knows that he is the lesser of two evils and agrees to the plan. Her memories are copied and her body is cloned. He tells her that she will have to pretend to be a mutate which she agrees – she started life as a thief and knows how to lie.
Hodge, being a sick foe, makes Wolverine and Psylocke watch the ‘transformation.’ Which is nice that Atkins got to draw these three X-Men. If he ever wanted to draw Storm, he sure got his chance.
Honestly, if you meet a doctor by the name of Moreau, don’t keep that person as their doctor! This is now two evil Moreaus that I know of, not counting family members of the original Dr. Moreau.
The clone Storm will have her powers but also a little of the mutant Wipeout’s powers, which are to absorb other powers but this is never done or shown. I think it is just trying to set up why the clone goes evil to not show that Storm has the capability. Though we already know she does as she could have easily gone that route in the 80s, she was a controlled ruthless but there is a fine line.
Storm watches the clone go from genetic material to adult in a matter of three panels. We get a nice recap via the caption boxes of other transformations she has witnessed such as having a Brood hatching come out of her and being merged with an Acanti. Though seeing yourself be born is a whole another thing to witness.
There is a double page ad for the Spider-Man : Shattered Dimension game, which I enjoyed that gave very much. The Noir levels were my favorite but it was cool to hear Neil Patrick Harris (NPH) portray Amazing Spider-Man again. I still remember when they were teasing what the four dimensions were going to be and how clued I was to three websites for each reveal. I have meant to buy Edge of Time but they went with only Amazing and 2099 as options and I hated those Free Fall levels of 2099 and they, of course, brought those back and more of them. No thank you.
Storm argues that once the clone wakes up, that she will have all of her memories so she is essentially her own person. She will no longer be a tool or a weapon but a living soul. She wants to know what will happen to her then. Moreau tells her they will deal with that later.
So the plan begins. Storm runs across Cyclops, is ordered to attack him, she blasts the room with blinding lightning and is switched out with the clone. So in the blinding light, and with the use of Wipeout’s power, she was able to restore the powers of the nearby mutants. I must have missed this one sentence in my original review. I read these comics before I start typing and then I read them again panel per panel so sometimes you miss a detail or two from my original opinion. Also, by this point, there is so much plot via dialogue and caption boxes. Also, see how complicated this plan is? Plus, this is mostly an alternate take on the X-Tinction Agenda crossover which I was lucky enough to pass on originally so this feels like a retread of a story I didn’t want in the first place. That’s the nice thing about following Excalibur, I missed out on a slew of 90s X-Men comics.
So when the switch occurred, the clone did her thing and young Ro was teleported away into a stasis tube.
Like these things happen, Hodge anticipated that the lousy people he was aligned with were going to double cross him, so once he saw the beginning signs, he straight murdered them.
There is an teaser ad for Fear Itself, the first real Marvel crossover that I chose to not even follow. Which I’m glad I did as apparently the big changes that occured, were undone by the final issue, so that must have been frustrating. I read the X-Men tie ins and those were good and really impacted the titles with Colossus gaining the powers of Juggernaut and Kitty breaking up with him. Good times.
So when the fall of the Citadel, everyone who knew about the switch is dead. Sort of like Face Off but more confusing? Maybe. So in the rubble, is a stasis tube as well as Storm’s memory in a computer. The Storm that rejoins the X-Men will become Perfect Storm.
The Consortium are called in once computer and the tube are found. They see could the raw data but could not remove it. Iron Man and Ingrid Trask are called in, they are members of the Consortium but Tony doesn’t know that they have anti-mutant motivations. Also, in the Forever-verse, the Starks and Trasks are cousins as they both are technology inventors – is the rationale, I imagine. The Trasks are responsible for the Sentinel programs.
Iron Man is able to free Ro but she has too much power coursing through her as she is a smaller package than the memories can fully resemble in. So there is this giant burst of light again. Iron Man senses a faint signal and investigates it. He finds Electric Storm and gives her his chest plate that has been modified. He tells her that she will have to hide until he can give her a better container.
So Ghost Panther is the memories and powers that Ro couldn’t handle and Perfect Storm is a clone. Sort of like a three way split, or a half split and then one of the halves are split again. That’s probably a better explanation. Could have saved ten pages too. But why tell when you can show.
There is a double page ad for Age of X, which was pretty fun diversion of the titles of X-Men Legacy and New Mutants at the time. Mike Carey had an interesting take on Kitty, I liked the idea of her never going by that name, and only by Katherine, and what that small detail would mean for her character.
Tony heads back to the Consortium and doesn’t tell them about Electric Storm. They are going to keep Ro safe, like an object and Tony protests but he has other things to do so he lets it go. Time passes, the X-Men save Ro. While trying to come up with a fancy armor, Tony finds out that his dear friend, Black Panther is murdered, and soon after his wedding day to Storm. We are given the scene of Trask telling Stark that Project X is ready and he needs to come to the satellite. This will be his and Beast’s final adventure.
Before he goes there, he delivers to Electric Storm her Ghost Panther armor. He made it in honor of his fallen friend and her friend as well. Electric Storm has been keeping up with all of the hero news and knows that her clone is out of control.
We get a quick recap of the first issue of Forever 2, with the Avengers heading to the X-Men to confront them after Tony’s death. The X-Men fake their deaths by exploding the mansion. So Electric Storm sees this and now believes it is all up to her to stop her clone as she has no more allies.
This concludes her story to Ro. Ghost Panther explains how the aging of the clone to adulthood made her unsettled and an easy target for her old enemy, the Shadow King to take control. Well not actual control, that would be too easy. What happen was that due to Wipeout’s mutant power that Perfect Storm has, she absorbed some of Shadow King’s wicked ways. Ooof, unnecessary complication!
I can’t remember if part of Perfect Storm’s plans involved killing the Consortium but she was working with them behind the scenes. Are they all dead? I don’t remember. She is power mad and will own the world, if not stopped.
Perfect Storm heads back to her country of Wakanda. She will fight them physically and through the press. She has her aid, Minister W’kabi tell the world that Genosha is being attacked by terrorists. Wakanda, as a country, can not deal with the political firestorm that is dealing with terrorists. So she will call in her late husband’s friends, the Avengers.
With that we are done with the issue, it was pretty much a done in one with all of that back story being told. So that explains how they could farm it out as it has bookend scenes but most of it are flashback sequences. This was the last of my back log of X-Men Forever 2 titles so we will have to pick up on this once I revisit the series at some other point.
While doing some goofing around on the ol’ Internet, I came across Doug Ramsey. Here is another character, this time largely due to Magik, that I own so many of his appearances but have not committed to owning all of his. There was a time, when both he and Illyana were dead; that whenever one of them was mentioned or referenced (are they two different concepts?) the other was also regarded. Then Doug came back, shortly after Illyana did and joined New Mutants in their third volume. Then Illyana got promoted to Cyclops’ Extinction Team (Uncanny Vol 2) – as she totally deserves to be on the main team – and I had no reason to keep reading New Mutants Volume Three. From what Brian and Rob said over on Uncanny X-Cast, that series quickly took a nosedive.
Though I do enjoy Doug, and he has a fascinating power, that forces the creative team to come up with great ways to use him. Though usually they just forget about him or make him the crucial part of the plan. The Aquaman Effect, if you would. Either unnecessary or crucial. Luckily, once he came back from the dead, they aged him to the age of the current team, and gave him a bit of a power upgrade. Now he can understand body language with the same skill he could verbal and written communication. Thus, he is now an awesome fighter.
I am not even sure what his current status is, is he going around doing hero business, is he getting a college degree, what is he up to? Issue 50 is on my wishlist and I’m sure that one day I will know. Cannonball and Sunspot have joined the Avengers, Magik is on Cyclops’ new Uncanny Team, Wolfsbane is over on X-Factor (as long as that lasted), Karma is over on Astonishing (as long as that lasts) , not sure what Warlock is up too these days or Magma. I heard he may be at the Jean Grey School but have yet to see that confirmed.
Ultimate Doug was cool, he wasn’t a mutant, he was extremely smart and “gifted” but with all of Doug’s powers. A Jeopardy winner, and he died during Ultimatum.
He was super cool in New Mutants Forever, seem to be Claremont’s whole purpose of that title was to make Doug cool. He also made him a Junior Red Skull, so a sequel to that miniseries would be very interesting.
I bet I own like 90 percent of his stories, it isn’t much. He started off in New Mutants, but showed up in Uncanny plenty of time as Kitty’s new big friend and fellow dance partner. He even got Colossus to be jealous, as Doug was a better match for Kitty, as they are both great with computers and very smart. We never did get Doug’s reaction to that jealousy.
Doug is another character that never got to reunite with Kitty as she was in deep space when he was back and I am not even sure if those two even know they are both back on the planet.
. . .
I did the math! Of Doug’s 144 appearances, I am missing 40 of them, making my percentage 72%.
What hurts me is that Magik was depowered shortly before his death, so he has a few extra appearances in New Mutants than she does. She also wasn’t involved in the initial Legion storyline. Illyana was also in Uncanny X-Men while Doug had a short stint in the second volume of X-Men in 2010. Then of course, there was New Mutants volume three, where Magik had the good sense to jump out and join the big leagues and he stuck around for 26 through 50. I only own 28, 29 and 30 of that title after the initial 25. Thus, he was part of the crossover with Journey into Mystery that I heard wonderful things about.
On my wishlist, I got New Mutants 32, 47, and 50, which will raise my percentage just a tad. Also X-Men (2010) 7 and 11 – and these two, I just want the variants so it isn’t even about Doug. And Journey into Mystery 637.
The percentage will not rise that much but of the 40, I am willing to get six of those.